Give and Take

Conversations at the Heart of the Matter

About the show

Someone once observed that if Howard Stern and Krista Tippett had a love child, it would be Scott Jones. Scott liked that.

At "Give and Take,” Scott Jones talks with artists, authors, theologians, and political pundits about the lens through which they experience life. With empathy, humor, and a deep knowledge of religion, current events, and pop culture, Scott engages his guests in a free-flowing conversation that's entertaining, unexpected, occasionally bizarre, and oftentimes enlightening. He likes people, and it shows.

Past interviewees include Mark Oppenheimer, Melissa Febos, David French, Miroslav Volf, Dan Savage, Nadia Bolz-Weber, Rob Bell, and (yes) Krista Tippett.

Scott is the former host and producer of the popular Mockingcast podcast ( and an in-demand consultant on all things “pod.” He’s also the co-host, with Bill Borror, of New Persuasive Words ( Scott is also a prolific writer, a frequent conference speaker, a PhD candidate in Theology, and an ordained minister.

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  • Episode 20: Reclaiming Hope, with Michael Wear

    May 19th, 2017  |  48 mins 5 secs

    My guest is Michael Wear. Michael is the author of "Reclaiming Hope: Lessons Learned in the Obama White House About the Future of Faith in America." He's the co-host of the "Church Politics" podcast, and was one of the youngest White House staffers in modern American history.

  • Episode 19: Getting Jesus Wrong, with Matt Johnson

    May 18th, 2017  |  42 mins 17 secs

    My guest today is Matt Johnson. Matt is a husband, father to two little girls, and is an armchair student of theology living in Seattle. He is also a freelance writer and editor. Until recently, Matt spent 7 years as an associate volunteer pastor in counseling and recovery ministry. He's the author of "Getting Jesus Wrong: Giving Up Spiritual Vitamins and Checklist Christianity".

  • Episode 18: The Death of Expertise, with Tom Nichols

    May 17th, 2017  |  43 mins 46 secs

    Tom Nichols is Professor of National Security Affairs at the US Naval War College, an adjunct professor at the Harvard Extension School, and a former aide in the U.S. Senate. He is also the author of several works on foreign policy and international security affairs. His most recent book is "The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why it Matters."

  • Episode 17: Considering Conservatism, with David French

    May 16th, 2017  |  1 hr 2 mins

    David French is a senior writer for National Review, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, an attorney (concentrating his practice in constitutional law and the law of armed conflict), and a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. He is the author or co-author of several books including, most recently, the No. 1 New York Times bestselling Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore.

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  • Episode 16: Mel Talks, with Melissa Shoshahi

    May 14th, 2017  |  1 hr 48 secs

    Melissa Shoshahi is an Iranian-American stand-up comedian and writer based in Los Angeles. Her weekly podcast "Mel Talk" can is on iTunes and she can currently be seen in the upcoming indie flick Lost in Austin.

  • Episode 15: Religionless Christianity, with Jeffrey Pugh

    May 11th, 2017  |  48 mins 11 secs

    My guest today is Jeffrey Pugh. He is the Maude Sharpe Powell Professor of Religious Studies at Elon University. He's written numerous books, including "Religionless Christianity: Dietrich Bonhoeffer in Troubled Times".

  • Episode 14: The Return of the Strong Gods, with R.R. Reno

    May 10th, 2017  |  59 mins 27 secs

    My guest today is R.R. Reno, editor of "First Things", a Journal of Religion and Public Life, and also an old friend.

  • Episode 13: Liturgy of the Ordinary, with Tish Harrison Warren

    May 9th, 2017  |  57 mins 23 secs

    My guest today is Tish Harrison Warren. She's an Anglican priest and the author of "Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practice in Everyday Life". She and her husband Jonathan (who is also an Anglican priest) live in Pittsburgh with their two young daughters in a house chock full of books with no matching forks or matching socks anywhere to be found.

  • Episode 12: Savage Love...With Dan Savage (Who Else?)

    May 4th, 2017  |  56 mins 23 secs

    My guest is Dan Savage. He's a best selling author and sex advice columnist, a wildly popular podcaster, an Emmy winner and above all a great conversationalist.

  • Episode 11: Why Don't Democrats Take Religion Seriously?, and Other Big Questions...with The Atlantic's Emma Green

    May 2nd, 2017  |  42 mins 14 secs

    My guest today is Emma Green. Emma is a staff writer at ​The Atlantic, where she covers politics, policy, and religion.

  • Episode 10: What Is The Bible?...with Rob Bell

    April 27th, 2017  |  45 mins 25 secs

    Rob Bell is The New York Times bestselling author of "Love Wins", "What We Talk About When We Talk about God", and "The Zimzum of Love". You can preorder his forthcoming book "What Is The Bible?" anywhere books are sold. iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, Best of 2015. He's also a great guy.

  • Episode 9: Reclaiming The Word "Jew", with Mark Oppenheimer

    April 26th, 2017  |  57 mins 29 secs

    Today's guest Mark Oppenheimer is the co-host of one of Scott's favorite podcasts, "Unorthodox". He's written numerous books and is an op-ed contributor to the LA Times. He's also got more daughters than Rush Limbaugh has had wives.

  • Episode 8: The Bible For Normal People, With Pete Enns

    April 25th, 2017  |  49 mins 48 secs

    My guest today is Pete Enns. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. Enns is a frequent contributor to journals and encyclopedias, and is the author of several books, including, The Bible Tells Me So: Why Defending Scripture Has Made Us Unable to Read It (HarperOne).

  • Episode 7: Talking Religion and Politics with Molly Worthen

    April 21st, 2017  |  35 mins 42 secs

    Today's guest is Molly Worthen. Molly is a historian whose specializes in American religious intellectual history. She also is a contributing Op-Ed writer for the NY Times.

  • Everything Belongs To Us, With Yoojin Grace Wuertz

    April 20th, 2017  |  43 mins 44 secs

    Today's guest is Yoojin Grace Wuertz. In her debut novel, "Everything Belongs To Us", two young women of vastly different means each struggle to find her own way during the darkest hours of South Korea’s “economic miracle” in a striking debut novel for readers of Anthony Marra and Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie.

  • Episode 5: Things To Do When You're Goth In The Country

    April 17th, 2017  |  50 mins 13 secs

    My guest today is Chavisa Woods. She's a Brooklyn based award winning literary writer. Her most recent book, "Things To Do When You're Goth In The Country & Other Stories" comes out in May of 2017.