Give and Take

Conversations at the Heart of the Matter

About the show

Someone once observed that if Howard Stern and Krista Tippett had a love child, it would be Scott Jones. Scott liked that.

At "Give and Take,” Scott Jones talks with artists, authors, theologians, and political pundits about the lens through which they experience life. With empathy, humor, and a deep knowledge of religion, current events, and pop culture, Scott engages his guests in a free-flowing conversation that's entertaining, unexpected, occasionally bizarre, and oftentimes enlightening. He likes people, and it shows.

Past interviewees include Mark Oppenheimer, Melissa Febos, David French, Miroslav Volf, Dan Savage, Nadia Bolz-Weber, Rob Bell, and (yes) Krista Tippett.

Scott is the former host and producer of the popular Mockingcast podcast (https://themockingcast.fireside.fm) and an in-demand consultant on all things “pod.” He’s also the co-host, with Bill Borror, of New Persuasive Words (https://npw.fireside.fm). Scott is also a prolific writer, a frequent conference speaker, a PhD candidate in Theology, and an ordained minister.

A New Jersey native, Scott lives with his best friend and wife, Lindy, in the suburbs of Philadelphia with two rescue pit bulls that he swears are sensitive souls.

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Episodes

  • Episode 183: How Reason Can Lead to God, with Joshua Rasmussen

    September 28th, 2019  |  40 mins 16 secs

    My guest is Joshua Rasmussen. His newest book is "How Reason Can Lead to God: A Philosopher's Bridge to Faith." Do you seek the truth? Do you value reason, science, and independent thinking? Are you skeptical of beliefs that people maintain merely "on faith," yet you remain interested in the big questions of life? Do you hope there could be a greater purpose to the universe, if only that were realistic? If so, then philosopher Joshua Rasmussen can encourage you in your journey.

  • Episode 182: Why Church, with Scott Sunquist

    September 25th, 2019  |  47 mins 15 secs

    My guest is Scott Sunquist. His newest book is "Why Church: A Basic Introduction." Is a church just something we create to serve our purposes or to maintain old traditions? Or is it something more vital, more meaningful, and more powerful? This can be hard to believe when we look at what happens in any one congregation or denomination. Certainly not all churches act like Jesus in the world, and many individual churches in the West are dying. When it's so easy to be confused, frustrated, or simply apathetic about the church, how should we understand its purpose today?

  • Episode 181: Up In Arms, with John Temple

    September 24th, 2019  |  43 mins

    My guest is John Temple. His newest book is "Up in Arms: How the Bundy Family Hijacked Public Lands, Outfoxed the Federal Government, and Ignited America’s Patriot Militia Movement." "Up in Arms" chronicles how an isolated clan of desert-dwelling Mormons became the guiding light—and then the outright leaders—of America’s Patriot movement. The nation was riveted in 2014 when hundreds of Bundy supporters, many of them armed, forced federal agents to abandon a court-ordered cattle roundup. Then in 2016, Ammon Bundy, one of Cliven’s 13 children, led a 41-day armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon.

  • Episode 180: Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic, with Stanley Corngold

    September 24th, 2019  |  52 mins 25 secs

    My guest is Stanley Corngold. His new book is "Walter Kaufmann: Philosopher, Humanist, Heretic." Walter Kaufmann (1921–1980) was a charismatic philosopher, critic, translator, and poet who fled Nazi Germany at the age of eighteen, emigrating alone to the United States. He was astonishingly prolific until his untimely death at age fifty-nine, writing some dozen major books, all marked by breathtaking erudition and a provocative essayistic style. He single-handedly rehabilitated Nietzsche’s reputation after World War II and was enormously influential in introducing postwar American readers to existentialism. Until now, no book has examined his intellectual legacy.

  • Episode 179: The Art of Less Doing, with Ari Meisel

    September 19th, 2019  |  55 mins 38 secs

    My guest is Ari Meisel. Ari is the best-selling author of “The Art of Less Doing“, and “The Replaceable Founder.” He is a self-described Overwhelmologist whose insights into personal and professional productivity have earned him the title, “The Guru’s Guru.” He can be heard on the award-winning Less Doing Podcast, and on international stages speaking to thought leaders and influencers around the world. We had a wide ranging conversation about everything from time tracking, the why's and how's of living a meaningful and productive life, to comforting the dying. Take a listen for all this and more.

  • Episode 178: Love Over Fear, with Dan White Jr.

    September 17th, 2019  |  35 mins 28 secs

    My guest is Dan White Jr. His new book is "Love over Fear: Facing Monsters, Befriending Enemies, and Healing Our Polarized World." Whether it's the news, social media, or well-intentioned friends, we're told daily to fear "others." We fear strangers, neighbors, the other side of the aisle, even those who parent differently. And when we're confronted with something that frightens us, our brain sees only two options: Attack or Avoid.

    But either way, polarization intensifies. What if you could defy your own instincts and choose a third option--scandalous, disruptive, unthinkable LOVE?

  • Episode 177: Sacred and Profane Love, with Jennifer Frey

    September 14th, 2019  |  1 hr 14 mins

    My guest is Jennifer Frey. She teaches at the University of South Carolina, and hosts The Virtue Blog and the philosophy and literature podcast, Sacred and Profane Love. She writes about virtue, action, practical reason, and what it might mean to live well as a human person.

  • Episode 175: Two Guys Talk Chesterton in New York City, with David Shields

    August 31st, 2019  |  39 mins 25 secs

    My guest is David Shields. In this episode we talk about G.K. Chesterton and his insights into the human condition on a beautiful hotel patio in New York City.

  • Episode 174: Marshawn Lynch: A History, with David Shields

    August 31st, 2019  |  1 hr 12 mins

    My guest is David Shields, New York Times bestselling author of more than twenty books. He has just written, directed and produced a documentary film, Marshawn Lynch: A History. The film explores the silence that nonconformist NFL star Marshawn Lynch deploys as a form of resistance. Culling more than 700 video clips and placing them in dramatic, rapid, and radical juxtaposition, the film is a powerful political parable about the American media-sports complex and its deep complicity with racial oppression.

  • Episode 173: Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire, with Dan Conway

    August 28th, 2019  |  55 mins 36 secs

    My guest is Dan Conway. His new book is "Confessions of a Crypto Millionaire: My Unlikely Escape from Corporate America." When the Financial Times interviewed Dan Conway for a story about cryptocurrency millionaires, he told them the unvarnished truth: "I invested because I wanted the underdogs to win, for once - losers like me who didn't make the rules and didn't have the money... We'd been forced to tweet corporate philanthropy hashtags, and we weren't going to take it anymore."

  • Episode 172: Color Me In, with Natasha Díaz

    August 28th, 2019  |  33 mins 19 secs

    My guest is Natasha Díaz. Her debut novel is "Color Me In." In it Natasha Díaz pulls from her personal experience to inform this powerful coming-of-age novel about the meaning of friendship, the joyful beginnings of romance, and the racism and religious intolerance that can both strain a family to the breaking point and strengthen its bonds.

  • Episode 171: Bless This Mess, with Molly Baskette and Ellen O'Donnell

    August 20th, 2019  |  55 mins 37 secs

    My guests are Rev. Molly Baskette and Dr. Ellen O’Donnell. Their new book is "Bless This Mess: A Modern Guide to Faith and Parenting in a Chaotic World." When the two first met, they were both new mothers seeking parenting wisdom. They read a lot of books on the topic, but none of them contained practical suggestions that would help their families psychologically and spiritually while maintaining their progressive values: How do we teach the art of forgiving and serving others? How do we raise kids who are tolerant, curious, and honorable? And what about the sex talk? Taking matters into their own hands, Baskette and O’Donnell began creating actionable steps addressing these questions and more. This book is the fruit of their many conversations begun long ago during the daycare carpool, from angsty moments to hallelujahs.

  • Episode 170: Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture, with Michael Patrick Lynch

    August 16th, 2019  |  1 hr 5 mins

    My guest is Michael Patrick Lynch. His newest book is "Know-It-All Society: Truth and Arrogance in Political Culture." Taking stock of our fragmented political landscape, Michael Patrick Lynch delivers a trenchant philosophical take on digital culture and its tendency to make us into dogmatic know-it-alls. The internet―where most shared news stories are not even read by the person posting them―has contributed to the rampant spread of “intellectual arrogance.” In this culture, we have come to think that we have nothing to learn from one another; we are rewarded for emotional outrage over reflective thought; and we glorify a defensive rejection of those different from us.

  • Episode 169: 100 Times: A Memoir of Sexism, with Chavisa Woods

    August 13th, 2019  |  55 mins 32 secs

    My guest is Chavisa Woods. Her newest book is "100 Times: A Memoir of Sexism." In it it this award winning author presents one hundred true stories of sexism, harassment, discrimination, and assault.

  • Episode 168: Reading Romans Backwards, with Scot McKnight

    August 6th, 2019  |  47 mins 36 secs

    My guest is Scot McKnight. His newest book is "Reading Romans Backwards: A Gospel of Peace in the Midst of Empire." In it he argues that to read Romans from beginning to end, from letter opening to final doxology, is to retrace the steps of Paul. To read Romans front to back was what Paul certainly intended. But to read Romans forward may have kept the full message of Romans from being perceived. Reading forward has led readers to classify Romans as abstract and systematic theology, as a letter unstained by real pastoral concerns.

  • Episode 167: The Year of Return, with Nathaniel Popkin

    August 3rd, 2019  |  1 hr 1 min

    Set against the backdrop of 1976 Philadelphia, his new novel "The Year of the Return" follows the path of two families, the Jewish Silks and African American Johnsons, as they are first united by marriage and then by grief, turmoil, and the difficult task of trying to live in an America failing to live up to its ideals.